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hmm, this should work.

The mod you linked to, without forgetting skills, with max stat multiplier set to 1.

http://miral.pctech3.net/Levelling.esp

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I just tested the mod and it works perfectly! (Though, I didn't get to do a full test of what happens 90 days later because I hadn't done any modifications on the attack frequency of the dark brotherhood, but I'll get to that later this weekend.) Nonetheless...

I probably shouldn’t bore you with the exact details of how much you just helped me, but you’re going to get them anyway. Especially because you – quite literally – reawakened my love for Morrowind and I couldn’t be happier!!!

Here’s why:

I’m naturally a rather compulsive RPG player with a tendency to make the best (though not technically the most powerful) character I can. In Morrowind, I quickly learned as I started to play that the only why for me to take full advantage of the character skills was to learn them in 10 level blocks. That is, 10 levels for each attribute I wanted to raise by 5. Thus, I would force myself not to use skills appropriate to situations or stand there running into a wall for upwards of an hour (thank you auto run). Obviously, this isn’t a very good way to play a game and I put Morrowind away.

Several months later, as the new GIANTS mod and others came into existence; I decided it was once more time to try again. This time, however, I decided to approach the game from a completely different perspective. I looked and looked for the mod that you just created from Balor’s code, but found nothing suitable and decided that it would be best to just play and not worry about the skills and level bonuses. The problem? I was at level four and had gained no less then 75 skill levels, but not a single level up. (In part due to my skill selections on the characters I attempted in this second time around.) In essence, I was being penalized by the system for playing the game as if it was a world unto itself.

Your changes fixed all that! Now I’m no longer penalized for playing each character as if they were real. And with the addition of some great lighting mods, GIANTS, the recently released Morrowind Comes Alive 2.2, etc., I’ll finally be able to play Morrowind as I always wanted to play it. Again, I know it was such a small request for a mod, but I can’t thank you enough.

Would you mind if I made a copy on my server in a new zip with a new read me detailing your changes and giving credit to you and the original author? If so, this will also make it’s way into the Ultimate Lists below as a game play option for different styles of players. (Note that the link is seriously going to be turned into a website over the next two weeks and all of the mods I’m currently testing for Bloodmoon and Tribunal will be in it.) Oh, and I'll also fire off an e-mail to Balor if you get back to me on this.

Thank you once more!!! (I know, enough already.) But you get a trophy, too!

Miral007's Trophy:

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*laughing*

And to think. I just visited the homepage on that website and it's the list I had bookmarked to find updated versions for the compatiable mod list I'm creating!

Ok, I'm done praising now. But it doesn't mean any less to me.

Now I'm off to work on getting my frame rate up... On a laptop no less. ^^

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My list kinda sucks as of now... you should bookmark Telesphoros' own thread, it has a LOT more. Mine will probably be removed soon to give way to an actual website...

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Note: You may want to run it thru TESTool, I forgot to clean the GMSTs.

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Shall do so. I'm sure I'll be running that on quite a few mods by the end of this weekend.

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I don't see anything of note that might have been bad other then iLevelupTotal or fLevelMod. But they're probably duplicate entries...

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I didn't touch those, they were edited in the version I downloaded... I didn't see fLevelMod, but iLevelupTotal was set as edited yet it was the default value of 10... so I know thats safe.

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btw this weekend I might try reworking it so that it has forgetting stats with level decreases... But then I might not (I have a really short attention span)

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Go for it if you'd like... But note, I have mixed feelings on how useful this plug-in would be to me. So, you'd probably be doing it for yourself or anyone else who's been part of the 100+ views. (Anyone want to break the vow of silence and show support/indifference?)

Should you attempt it, however, good luck!

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Wouldn't be for me, no sir/ma'am (which is it anyways? heh)...

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(and I don't care for GIANTS)

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Yeah. I hear that a lot. It's a big love/hate mod where people either love the amount of additional monsters or hate the quality of the models. I suppose I use it mainly because of the variety and there really isn't anything better that I've found.

Wilderness Mod is also fun for variety, but... Wow. That mod brings my laptop to it's knees and then proceeds to slit any vital arteries. I think my last test with it on (almost a year ago) was at 1... maybe 2 fps. *_*

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If you gain any 3 skill levels tied to the same attribute that attribute goes up (permanently) by one.


If you gain 10 major/minor skill levels, you get the option to level up with 3 coins (same as original), but only 1x (as opposed to up to 5x) for any skill.

Result: You no longer have to plan your skills. Yeeha!

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I probably shouldn’t bore you with the exact details of how much you just helped me, but you’re going to get them anyway. Especially because you – quite literally – reawakened my love for Morrowind and I couldn’t be happier!!!

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well well well....

as i get ready to install direct 9.0b, and a couple of more mods,
I checked once again the Forums! at the very last minute, it seems there is a mod that i cannot live without!!

I gritted my teeth a bit when i read all about the leveling system in Detail. I want to Explore, to Play! I would imagine that i would have had to be compulsive-obsessive, keep ten sheets of paper handy and pay more attentio to the skill sheets than to the game!

no!

oh...I *could* have just played anyways, and not pay attention To Proper Skill Levelings....but i have giants, morrowind enhanced, creatures of morrowind, mca 2.2....my landscape will have Lots and lots of monsters!

now maybe i can "ignore" luck, and place intelligence there, in the attributes.
I will play a Breton fighter/mage. light and heavy armor both i was going to have as heavy armor was about the only endurance-increasing thing out there that i could use! somehow, training SPEAR just to level endurance is about as wise, in real
life, as training in car driving just to be able to board an airplane!

even if a bit "bugged" it might be far far better than what is there!

I am starting a new character, but i wonder.....i wonder if one *MUST* start a new character to use this?!

if works as put forth.....

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I'm not sure about the stoppage after 3 gains... I'm an ammature scripter myself and didn't look much past what I needed to change to fit Sederien's request. I will open it up and take a look tomorrow (tuesday)...

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5) You're learning MySQL sederien? Jeez I don't really know any scripting languages... Just the basic universals and try to wing it from there... I do need to learn SQL and some other stuff though so maybe I can get a better job than customer service... What are you using to learn?

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The Visual Quickpro Guides. They have one specifically on PHP and MySQL, which I picked up along with their refresher on HTML (which needs to be known well before PHP). The books are by Larry Ullman and Elizabeth Castro, respectively, and only $20-25 each. I also heartily recommend Castro's to anyone starting out with HTML and Ullman's to anyone who really wants to learn PHP/MySQL (It can become a bit tedious/complicated and requires a good deal of patience. However, I really love a programming language - of sorts for you purists out there ^^ - which includes the functions: explode() for PHP and the --i-am-a-dummy switch for MySQL - No, I'm not making that up. There is actually a switch to prevent you from doing stupid things with MySQL.)

I picked up the books after attempting to mod phpBB with limited success. And, since I wanted a dynamic site w/ a news post and forum, I figured what the heck. I'll learn it all. Picked up the books and now that's why I don't yet have time to learn Morrowind's scripting on top of that!

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I believe the entire mod is purely created from global scripts. There should be very little local scripting for a leveling mod. Which of course brings me to why I need to delve through the mod myself. I need to track when each variable is accessed and perhaps simplify the scripting to work at any time (in menus, with books - which already works, and everywhere else). That and check for the proper attribute reduction scripts when jailed, etc.

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sederien!

Can you tell me if this mod is actually
PLAYABLE
now?

---i see that someone just posted that they began a new game with this mod and his stats did not level up at all. then there is the bug descussions.

If this mod works, then i would be able to play my game, not play some "powergamer" appraoch to leveling.

but are these bugs that you find, "killing" for this mod?

someday, tooo, someone should make a proper readme, or something, that tells exactly how this works and how to use the leveling principals.

too...if i were to use this mod, now, to begin a new game with, if i find it currently buggy, can i remove it without starting a new game.

?????

at least you do not have the problem that another modder has, with a new realsed mod! he accidently left part of another project *in* the mod, and he told everyone to begin a new game, with it. Most of the stuff inside the room at the census office was not there due to that mistake!
then he corrected the error and put a revision up. aha!! bug gotya! the door out of the census office is disabled, now, so one cannot ever ever leave that first building, off of the dock at the beginning of the game!!

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Ok, save and test your mod. Works fine now, doesn’t it? Well, almost. Try the following: let yourself be cursed, and then open your inventory. Wait. See how the curse terminates after some time, without hurting you? Of course: the script is still running, but spell effects are only calculated while in game, not while you are in the menu. We don’t want the player to get off the hook so easily, so we need to put something in our script that stops it from processing when we are in menu mode. Luckily there is the MenuMode function, which returns 1 when you enter the menu. So we can put this at the start of our script:

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if i were to use this mod, now, to begin a new game with, if i find it currently buggy, can i remove it without starting a new game.

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Considering the way this mod works, I do not believe that would be a problem at all. Though, hopefully either myself or another forum user will have an updated version of this mod soon. (Soon for me means up to two weeks or so.)

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Hope that helps answer those questions. I know I want this to get done too, but I have to say that I can't even touch this until the weekend. I will give an update, though, when I do.

Oh, and if you want, I'll repackage the mod in progress as a [WIP] w/ a readme and put up for download so there's a better general idea of what this does vs. what it's supposed to do.

Rest assured, I'll be working on it as soon as I can.

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Looks like it's a required script for most mods. But that's really only my impression at a glance. Now it might be called at an inappropriate time or it might need a secondary script to handle in-menu functions, but that I'll try (or anyone may try) after I finish working on MySQL. -- I'm halfway through or so...

Here's a direct quote from GhanBuriGhan's latest scripting guide:

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Ok, save and test your mod. Works fine now, doesn’t it? Well, almost. Try the following: let yourself be cursed, and then open your inventory. Wait. See how the curse terminates after some time, without hurting you? Of course: the script is still running, but spell effects are only calculated while in game, not while you are in the menu. We don’t want the player to get off the hook so easily, so we need to put something in our script that stops it from processing when we are in menu mode. Luckily there is the MenuMode function, which returns 1 when you enter the menu. So we can put this at the start of our script:

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Yeah, I read that too. What it does is STOP the script when the menu is on. We don't want to do this because it means that skills like armorer will never get the stat increase.

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Heh, all of this makes me want to change the title to [WIP] A Simple Leveling Mod...

Or perhaps [WIP] (any combination of M, S, and B) Leveling Mod: Like the BSM Leveling Mod. (Standing for the Miral007, Sederien, Balor Levelling Mod)... Crud. I'm just tired. Good luck Miral.

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thanks Sederien, thanks all....

that is encougaging about the speechraft....etc...working.

maybe i can use it then. I am "hesitating" to begin my new game, not because of the WIP, but because Aeleron is apparently going to upgrade one or more of his Enhancment mods and then the "Morrowind patch" is also going to be upgraded: a fresh new game *IS* required!

my!
one can never never really ever get To Play!!


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For those who have fiddled with it so far, I think it would be helpful if you posted what you've discovered so far. Maybe us dummies can larn sumfin.

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Oh! I was also wondering if anyone knows how to reverse the "polarity" of skill gain. I have a mod called Failure Based Progress which has your skills advance from failures, not successes, which I think is a great change.

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While I disagree with this method of leveling - as I assume that one who is not trained in a skill will find the road much more difficult without the add of even a single tutor - I actually can find no reason (off the top of my head) why the Failure Based Progress mod shouldn't work with the MSB Leveling Mod (or whatever you want to call it). I know from looking at the scripts that the leveling mod relies on your skill level going up. It does not affect how you get there or why you get there. Thus, changing the scripts to level up another way (as in the FBP mod) shouldn't affect the leveling mod. If anyone wants to test this, please let us know! (I'm still learning MySQL at the moment. Halfway done!!!)

ppi:

Ok... Well, we knew the mod was buggy as it stands now. If it's last in the list, it's where it should be. Anyway, this program at the bottom of the linked page will let you switch the order of loaded mods (but you need java support to run it).

Good luck all.

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By the way, to Miral and anyone else working on the mod, I'd be more then happy to host the finished product if need be.

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oh, actually, m_m, a request for your final version would be to have the script and the setting separate -- i'm happy w/a lot of the changes from adventurers and would want to be able to keep those (increase per successful use, fatigue cost of running/jumping/attacking as well as some other things) when i've installed the leveller.

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All I changed were the attributes assigned to the Spear and Acrobatics skills. I think that they're now the same as Adventurers.... Not 100% sure, as I don't use it. I didn't touch anything else in the skills section. You will need to alter the script slightly if these are different though, as I had to hard-code the attributes for each skill into the script, since I couldn't figure out how to derive them from the skills. It would be so cool if they had implemented a full OO scripting interface (like VBA in MS Office) so we could check and edit tons more than we can right now.

I could also make a separate Adventurers compatible version after we settle on some of the features if you really want.

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BTW, another thing we can do is assign multiple attributes to a single skill. For instance, Security could be Intelligence and Luck. This could get pretty fancy/complicated if we wanted it to

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I just checked the Adventurers docs.
In that mod:

Spear->Agility
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Personally I'd leave the auto-leveling out for two reasons:

• Each player has their own playing style and if they want to become a god without sleeping at level 1, so be it.
  
• From a compatibility perspective: *KISS*
  

As for the capping... Well, I've ........

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hi Selderien, and all....

I am getting a slight urge to start my new game soon. I am assuming, right, that if i do this, start a new game, and then about five hours into the game at level 2, i can then go ahead and install the leveling mod.
which ever one gets really ready, that is.....

I sympathize with you all for testing, as who knows how far down the gameroad a bug could appear! say, at level 20, wearing some ring of attribute-increase, hoses, ruins, the script!!

a * thoughouh* bug tester would have to play the entire game
from beginning to end, Just To Be Sure!

and then there are the 800+ mods that interact!
certain mods Could Kill the leveling scripts: who is to know

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I just changed all my attribute counters from shorts to floats

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ah, the discussion has gone beyond my ability to follow...this is what happens when you're a liberal arts major in real life. just kidding -- i know lots of english majors take up coding, in fact since i've studied a little formal logic other students have told me i should be able to program. i'm still just trying to figure out what i think should be a simple (if lengthy) script for my help-mages-be-organized tool (little-read thread called something like "mage service npcs? how do they...")

if only my algebra teachers had said "someday this will help you customize CRPGs to your liking" i might have done my homework once in a while!

i think i follow your observation on consistent ratios and i think that makes sense. if they all go by halves then skills that are 'pure' are essentially just two halves to one attribute, right?

but maybe that should be a separate .esp, though of course one fully compatible w/leveler? again, i am just crazy happy that this part has come together. anything else is gravy, y'know?

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a * thoughouh* bug tester would have to play the entire game
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I *wish* I had that much free time! As it is, I've never come close to having enough time just to do the main quest.

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By the way, Madd_Mugsy. Please keep a copy of version 0.2b separate from the next so that we have a few options when using the mod.

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That would be sweet!
Can you just post it up on here and I'll include it in the next zip file?

BTW, aren't databases fun? I'm a SQL Server man, myself.

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ahh, i knew it was too good to be true! they're just f*c**n* with our heads! it's a communist plot: the manchurian mod!

CS was still dissatisfied when i removed the "ml" from the "mlRunOnce", so instead i added "ml" to the "RunOnce" and it let me save. about to try a little in-game testing.

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note my comment above on tiny typos in the readme, sederien's initial and other early posts mention balor's original work which gave everyone the idea in the first place (a la herbalism) and not like it's such a big deal (i am not, in real life, employed by a long-destroyed library in the northern portion of africa) but i still think he or she should get credit.

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I have an idea, why don't you make a version with "iLevelupTotal" (how many skillpoints you need before level up) changed to something like 999999999999 and add 1 hp (or anything, it's an example) every time it's rised endurance and 1 magicka everytime it's rised willpower? That way we'll have a full levelless system.

P.d.: Maybe a TC will be needed for the problems that will arise with the leveled lists....buffff

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you could allow players to continue to gain attributes after the skill gain stops somehow?

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This is what happens when you use the "no caps" version of the mod. Skills are capped at 99, so they can still increase to 100 (and go back to 99) for leveling and attribute gain. You could just cap the attribute @ 100, and the skill @ 99.


But yes we would need to have more than one attribute for each skill. Even if the only extra attribute is luck for a few particular skills (I'm thinking sneak, security, etc)

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OR!!!! It could go up an equal amount for ALL skills! Every skill would give you 0.10 luck or something.

This latest tangent should probably go into a separate esp...

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